Netbook performance comparisons.
Raon have published a set of CrystalMark performance figures showing tabletop (powered) performance comparisons. Click on the image to the right to see these.
A note on the touchscreen.
There’s no tap-and-hold for right click. Considering the optical mouse isn’t so responsive either, we find this to be a problem that gets very annoying after a weeks use. Interestingly, we don’t recall having the same problem on the original Everun Note so maybe the drivers are different? We’ve passed this information back to Raon Digital so hopefully they can attend to it and release better drivers very soon.
Power solutions.
Raon Digital always seem to come up with some well thought out solutions and the additional battery solutions available are no exception. The first option we recommend is to buy the 40 Euro extra battery. Its cheap, and worth it’s weight in gold if you’re a mobile worker. Couple this extra battery with the well-thought-out external charger unit (with built-in Ethernet port) for just 30 Euro and you’ve got yourself a desk-based unit that will always be fully charged. There’s also an extended battery planned but we haven’t seen the price for that yet.
The only other thing to mention is that there is no case. We were able to find a Q1Ultra soft pouch that fitted well but we’d certainly like to see something included in the box.
3G solutions
Raon shipped the two devices with a 3G antenna solution that we wanted to highlight. This is an option for resellers though so check before you buy. Instead of installing an internal antenna, Raon have wired the device for an external plug-in stub antenna. Obviously this allows them to pre-wire all the devices and then just ship the correct antenna for the given territory but we find it a poor half-way solution for mobile workers. How many times have you lots an SD card, USB stick or USB module? How many times have you left them at home? The same problem is going to occur with the stub antenna and regardless of how it performs (we were unable to test it as the Expedite EU850D is incompatible with the the Everun Note) it’s not a great solution. If you’re working on a very remote desk somewhere where there’s no WiFi or Ethernet, this is an acceptable solution but for mobile workers, we don’t recommend it.
Personal Note from Chippy.
I love the D24S and S16S as gadgets round the home and am often using them for sofa-surfing and bed-surfing. A bit like some do with the morning paper, I grab a coffee, the Everun Note and open the browser to check email, feeds, news and weather. The S16S with Ubuntu has been a bit of a project and I have to say that I’m ready to put the Linux version to one side now. I don’t have the time to keep hacking in fixes myself so I’m going to stick with the XP OS on the Note for the time being.
The D24S and S16S have been been given to us for long-term testing and support purposes (we run the official English-language Raon Digital forum here) so if you have any ongoing questions, please put them in the forum where I and others can pick them up.
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Are the mobilx machines equipped with the 3G antenna solution? And which 3G mini pci card can be used in those devices? thanks!
You’ll have to check that direct with mobilx.
As for 3g cards, I know that the Expedite 850D does NOT work.
Steve
Have you tried to see if it is narrow enough to fit in a coat pocket? It seems like a great computer but looking at the specs it seems like it is just a little too wide to be pocketable in a large coat pocket as it is 4.6″? I think most coats can only handle max 4 or 4.25″?
My inside suit coat pockets measure 4.5 – 5.5 inches. Size is US 44reg. I hope this will fit in some.
I sometimes put it in my back pocket but only if im havin to carry something else at the same time for a short distance. Its really not that pocketable.
Steve.
In the initial review of the S16S it was running XP. I checked several sites and no one sells the S16S with XP. How do I get S16S with XP? I am on battery most of the time and this will give me the most performance for the least price.
Mobilx sell the s16s with an xp option but the battery life isnt much better than with linux. 2hrs.
Steve.
I think you mean “lost” not lots?
If this unit has Pixel Qi Screen in Q1 or Q2 of next year, with the projected potential for 5 fold battery time increases (depending on the unit for sure), well that would be interesting as then this would have a 10 hour battery run time with the LINUX version.
Now, the Linux stuff really has not been advertised as being “done” until the 9.04 version due out in April of 2009 (if I remember correctly). So, the Ubuntu version is not finished for this class of device?
I think you’re confused between screen power drain and device power drain. A 1W difference in screen power drain won’t give you a 5-fold increase in battery life. 15% max increase.
Steve
Could you run any temperature monitoring software on S16S at its full speed. The turion version is really hot. I want to know if it is a lot cooler while it is replaced by sempron on S16S.
I havent noticed any difference in the heat at all. The Sempron version is just as warm, if not warmer due to the higher drain required by the CPU.
Steve
another great review :)
perhaps you could make a list of 3G/HSDPA cards that will work with the Everun Note ?
English PDF manual for Everun Note S16S (Ubuntu)
http://downloads.conics.net/everun/ubuntu_manual_en.pdf
I think JKK tested a 3G card on the Everun that worked.
I can’t remember the type though. Was it Sierra Wireless?
Steve
i am using an icon 225 (option) 3G USB dongle. I use it under Vista (which works obviously) and under Ubuntu 8.10 (intrepid) I had to use the HSOconnect tool. with my HP tablet tx2120 it works. It’s a few days now that Ubuntu released updates for Networkmanager and now this icon 225 is being recognized, but i could not get it to work yet.
so, icon 225 3G (HSDPA) DOES work with Ubuntu 8.10. i don’t know other cards/usb devices, but the Huaweis definitely will work as they are pretty much standard.
Chippy
you wrote: “Battery life is about 3hrs with WiFi on” for “Raon Digital Everun Note D24S†– From where an extra hour compared to S16S and D60H, since D24S has the same battery = 5200 mAh (Lithium-ion) – 19 (W/hr)?
My understanding is that D24S should do the same as S16S = “2-hrs online is about tops for this deviceâ€.
In what conditions did you do the tests? Is it because of the SSD? What is changed compared to S16S and D60H?
This comes as a surprise for D24S since S16S and D60H do 2hrs battery in normal operations (Wifi with Movies and/or Internet Navigation). I find this surprising in a good way if this is true.
3G:
Guys, I don’t know about you, but for my Everun Note I’m using the internet shared connection from my “Iphone 3G – 16GB black” using “Cydia – PDAnet” application (connection done with Wifi) and it works great = the connection and download speeds are fast and cool. I’m getting through even if battery consumption is higher. I don’t need any antenna, mini-PCIe card, extra SIM etc. It’s like Shooting two rabbits with one bullet since I carry both my Iphone and Everun Note :)
The Sempron appears to be responsible for the additional drain in the S16S. The D30H I tested had 2:30-2:45 battery, the D24S version is 3hrs. I can only assume that the D24S device is 1) a final version (the D30H I tested was production sample) 2) saving some power by using SSD.
The D24S with an extended battery could be a very interesting 4hr+ device….but expensive!
I’ll be getting the large battery and external charger in Dec so i’ll let you know.
Steve
Is the sempron dual core?
It’s an older single core design similar to the Intel Celeron.
Can it take 2GB of ram ?
Thanks
From the teardown pictures on the net it looks the RAM is soldered on. So the answer is no ;-(
So where are the black ones? Everyone has only white Everuns in stock?
Would Linux work with D24S? Whats the deal with fan controller issue under Linux?
sadly, they will not be making any black Everun Notes
Linux does work with D24S and D60H, but there is no support for the internal WiFi so S16S is supplied with a USB WiFi
(I don’t expect a driver for the internal WiFi)
Just curious if one buys the HD version, can it be changed to an SSD drive later??
yes, absolutely
the Hard Disk versions are identical to the SSD versions, and very fast SSD will be available soon for all Everun Note (1.8″ ZIF @ 5mm)
Thanks for clarifying, Brett….now, if they only made the Note in black…. ;-)
Just ordered a S16S (open box from Dynamism). Haven’t gotten it yet but the only negative (for me at least) was the fan. Would it be possible to go fanless?
The size, form factor, touchscreen, and price were more important to me than the dual core. Besides, the graphics card should still give it a boost over other netbooks. Currently have an eee 701. Considered the dell mini since its already fanless but the larger size killed the deal. I needed something smaller but with a somewhat usable screen. Had an oqo for a bit but the screen just too small; 7″ is my absolute minimum now.
I did some research and a sempron 2100+ 9W should fit (same S1 socket) but might be redundant since the stock sempron is already underclocked (1.2ghz vs 2.0; 25W spec but couldn’t find any info on underclocked drain). And, although the 2100 is designed for fanless operation, would the bios recognize it? Would I have to install a driver?
Assuming it is possible could I just disconnect the fan or remove it and install some sort of mini heatsink?
So by the sound of it the read/write speeds for both the D16S and D24S are the same even though the D24S has the faster 8GB SLC SSD?