At last. We’ve been seeing tiny slivers of information on the XPPhone for months but without a price, no-one could even start to consider it.
The wait is over. The XPphone team have just sent us this info:
2999 ~ 4500 RMB (400 ~ 650 USD)
Clearly there will be a range of models to choose from but although this is, in ultra mobile PC terms, a fairly low computing power device, the web experience should still match everything you get on a high-end smartphone today. (I used to own a ‘netbook’ in 2006 that used the same CPU) and if you’re getting 3G thrown in for $400, er, this isn’t a bad choice for a basic UMPC. Suddenly we’re quite interested in this one because the battery life should be in the 4hrs range.
It looks a lot better than when we saw it at Computex but of course, you’ll be looking at something like $499 before it gets to the US or EU and that certainly takes a little of the shine off.
We’re trying to get availability details. [We’re also adding it to the database. Stand-by]
Update: XPPhone added to database.
I wonder what AMD think of this!
New article: AMD-based XPPhone Gets a Price and New Images. http://bit.ly/4X3b5v
RT @umpcportal: New article: AMD-based XPPhone Gets a Price and New Images. http://bit.ly/4X3b5v < Very Everun-esque.
Wish it had higher resolution and no bezel. At least 1024×768.
Wish it had SDXC.
Wish it had a Z530 or better CPU with 2GB RAM.
Wish it had capacitative multi-touch and pen input.
Wish it had 3MP or more back cam.
Wish it was $199? ;-)
in their Chinese specs: “å¯æ”¯æŒ 1024 x 768 åŒæ¸…显示”, supports 1024 x 768 double clarity(?) display, you can also choose the SSD size. go to the last link and click on “ä¸æ–‡” beside “English” and you can see the specs with prices.
Chippy- What could we expect from a Moorestown powered phone, running Windows, and by when? That would be something, and the LG demo at CES showed some great potential from that chipset (even though it wasn’t running windows)
I think it will be a while before you see Windows on Moorestown and don’t forget, the standby battery life will be nothing compared to Moblin on the moblin-optimised version of Moorestown.
Most of power management optimizations that went into Moorestown just enables it to enter the Smartphone market. Things like MIPI/SFI, is not relevant to MID/UMPC. Then there’s the Windows OS not being so good with idle processes which takes out most of the benefits of platform power reduction.
Moorestown specfically refers to Smartphone/Smartbook like implementation.
Same size as the Raon Everun.
Same screen resolution.
Same memory.
Same processor?
But you can make phone calls on this. Oh wait, I remember Chippy doing that with an Everun with the right 3G pci-e card.
Slide out keyboard instead of tablet keyboard? I am not sure if that is a significant improvement.
The Everun was revolutionary when it came out 4 years ago. This version is only a slightly interesting footnote in the history of UMPC/MID evolution.
I agree. XP once you get used to Seven is not very satysfiyng. A W7 capable device could b an improvement but it seems weird to launch an only XP one in these days
Never will a device be launched, which shall satisfy all need, wants and cravings of a end-user!
Period!
I thought this thing was using the “AMD Super Mobile CPU” so it should be super fast and super mobile :). If this thing came out 4 years ago, I would have been all over it.
If they are referring to Geode, then it came out 9 years ago. Does that make you want it even more? :-)
I thought they said there would be a model with an over 1 Ghz Processor…
Is there some information on the availability yet?
Hi,
I love how people are so jaded by criticism and price.
Ask yourself this, how much is a new smartphone? HD2 smartphone, unlocked amazon $849. Ok, with service, $200. IPhone with service $200. Nokia n900 $549. But why do we not complain about those prices?? Why are they “OK” You guys are soooo jaded, and confused about the products and price levels. It’s a little pathetic such a smart community loses site of the functions of this device and start bashing the price, when it performs 10x the prices. Please list the functionality of XPphone verse any of the items above and then think about the price. Get over your silly price complaints. And size complaints. This is the same size as a Umid or Viliv, yet for some reason xphone is criticized for size? People need their windows open to the fresh air and get outta small-site land.
Probably because it might be using a super old and slow AMD Geode LX CPU. If it is, then the XP side of this device is going to be too slow to be useful. Using a smartphone like the iPhone or N900 will be much faster and more convenient since they are running a more optimized OS for their CPUs. The ARM Cortex A8 CPUs in these devices are probably faster than the Geode too.
The UMID and Viliv clamshells are using the much faster Atom CPU so running XP on it is significantly more convenient. There are the Geode NX CPUs that go up to 1.4 GHz but they have significantly higher power consumption.
You couldn’t pay me to use a Geode LX based PC let alone me paying $400 for one.
Yes, this is a smart community. That is exactly why they are bashing the price of the XPPhone. It has the same specs as a UMPC made years ago (Raon Everun). The performance of Windows XP on the Everun was painfully slow. The reason why UMPCs are now using the Intel Atom CPU instead of the AMD Geode LX is that it is faster and uses about the same power. So I’d pay $500 for a Viliv N5 but won’t pay $50 for the XPPhone with it’s Geode CPU.
I will disagree; I felt the performance of XP on my Everun was acceptable (in fact, it was faster in someways then my current Dell Mini 9 with 1.6 atom and SSD…. but I suspect that is due to the Mini 9’s SSD rather then the processor. I loved my Everun, and was sad when it died… and I haven’t found a device yet to replace it (Umid BZ is close, but I don’t want a clamshell).
That being said, 3-4 years later, you really want to buy something that is up-to-date. Which means Atom or equivilent. Which means Win 7, which also means 1-2 GB of RAM.
If this thing had a 1.6 GHz or higher Atom CPU then I’d pay that price. I’d buy it over the Viliv and UMID clamshells since I prefer sliders and more thumb friendly keys.
I wonder, does the listed price above of $400USD – $650USD include the maxed-out XPINSIDE models?
I wonder why they went for the Geode. [They’ve never said it’s the Geode BTW but when I mentioned it to them face-to-face at Computex, they smiled!] Perhaps they picked up some old stock.
Wish it looked like the Nexus two (but with 4.8 inch touchscreen, which could tilt)
http://www.unthinkable.biz/home/article/1053/could-motorola%E2%80%99s-android-shadow-double-as-nexus-two
wish it had a Nvidia tegra 250 processor
http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3714
wish it had an (AM)oled screen
wish the screen resolution was 1024×600
wish it had 2 Gb Ram DDR2
wish it had windows 7
Wish it had capacitative multi-touch and pen input.
wish it had a trackball
wish it had HDMI out
wish it had an SD card slot
(luckely it has GPS and bluetooth)
for that i would pay 700 USD
Please let me know when a phone like that comes to the market!
Ok, so let’s take the size outta the complaints.
Prices.
Why are these not too expensive:
HD2 smartphone, unlocked amazon $849. with service, $200.
IPhone $500, with service $200.
Nokia n900 $549
UMID $499
Viliv S5 $599
second who can prove performance is slow when official review has not occurred? People are soooo skeptical. I believe some people just like the complain just to be negative.
I kinda second to Phil, but the UMID or Viliv S5/x70 are not really “cell phones” per se, like the rest of the other gadgets listed…like the Viliv/Everun Classic, some umpcs/mids could have some telefony features, but they are not tightly integrated to be called a cell phone like what the XPPHONE/XPINSIDE claims to be, and the rest of the other smartphones…
Well, IF the XPPhone is using the 600 MHz AMD Geode LX CPU then all you need to do is search for benchmarks of PCs that had it. As already said above, the Raon Digital Everun uses that CPU (http://www.umpcportal.com/2007/07/757/). The UMID M1 uses the 1.33 GHz Intel Atom Z520 CPU (http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/04/umid-mbook-m1-full-review/2/). From the CrystalMark website: “Result of CrystalMark 2004R3 is compatible with CrystalMark 2004/2004R2.” So the results can be directly compared.
CrystalMark Scores:
AMD Geode LX and DDR RAM
ALU: 1201
FPU: 895
MEM: 1161
UMID M1
Intel Atom Z520 with DDR2 RAM
ALU: 4405
FPU: 3714
MEM: 3509
The Atom CPU is faster than the Geode CPU. For people who like playing H.264 encoded videos (ie. most HD videos), the Intel GMA 500 supports hardware video acceleration while the graphics chip AMD pairs with the Geode does not. The upcoming Adobe Flash 10.1 is planned to support the GMA 500 for Flash videos so that’s also a plus. Adobe Flash 10.1 Beta 3 will supposedly enable support for the GMA 500 (http://forums.adobe.com/thread/543080).
Of course, if you actually intend to use the device as a phone also (which I don’t), then the UMID fails in that aspect.
Well, IF the XPPhone is using the 600 MHz AMD Geode LX CPU then all you need to do is search for benchmarks of PCs that had it. As already said above, the Raon Digital Everun uses that CPU (http://www.umpcportal.com/2007/07/757/). The UMID M1 uses the 1.33 GHz Intel Atom Z520 CPU (http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/04/umid-mbook-m1-full-review/2/). From the CrystalMark website: “Result of CrystalMark 2004R3 is compatible with CrystalMark 2004/2004R2.” So the results can be directly compared.
CrystalMark Scores:
AMD Geode LX and DDR RAM
ALU: 1201
FPU: 895
MEM: 1161
UMID M1
Intel Atom Z520 with DDR2 RAM
ALU: 4405
FPU: 3714
MEM: 3509
The Atom CPU is faster than the Geode CPU. For people who like playing H.264 encoded videos (ie. most HD videos), the Intel GMA 500 supports hardware video acceleration while the graphics chip AMD pairs with the Geode does not. The upcoming Adobe Flash 10.1 is planned to support the GMA 500 for Flash videos so that’s also a plus. Adobe Flash 10.1 Beta 3 will supposedly enable support for the GMA 500 (http://forums.adobe.com/thread/543080).
Well, IF the XPPhone is using the 600 MHz AMD Geode LX CPU then all you need to do is search for benchmarks of PCs that had it. As already said above, the Raon Digital Everun uses that CPU (http://www.umpcportal.com/2007/07/757/). The UMID M1 uses the 1.33 GHz Intel Atom Z520 CPU (http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/04/umid-mbook-m1-full-review/2/). From the CrystalMark website: “Result of CrystalMark 2004R3 is compatible with CrystalMark 2004/2004R2.” So the results can be directly compared.
CrystalMark Scores:
AMD Geode LX and DDR RAM
ALU: 1201
FPU: 895
MEM: 1161
UMID M1
Intel Atom Z520 with DDR2 RAM
ALU: 4405
FPU: 3714
MEM: 3509
The Atom CPU is faster than the Geode CPU. For people who like playing H.264 encoded videos (ie. most HD videos), the Intel GMA 500 supports hardware video acceleration while the graphics chip AMD pairs with the Geode does not. The upcoming Adobe Flash 10.1 is planned to support the GMA 500 for Flash videos so that’s also a plus. Adobe Flash 10.1 Beta 3 will supposedly enable support for the GMA 500 (http://forums.adobe.com/thread/543080).
Yeah, I remember the old days of the Everun with the Geode CPU.They weren`t happy days concerning the Flash performance.Youtube was struggling to produce average framerates.My 600Mhz N900 is way better concerning flash!Why do I need this phone then if I can do almost 90% of my daily surfing on the N900? N900 is smaller, can play better flash content, has a wonderful 5 Mpix camera, has open source (Mirc, firefox browser, skype, you name it), plays almost all video content.Its a good concept but too late for the market.If it was 2006 I would consider it, but not in 2010.LG with Atom will be way better than this….so yeah, good concept poor execution.
Well, perhaps they can learn from this model and make a better XP phone later. A bit like how the UMID BZ may not have existed without them testing the concept with the M1 first. There aren’t that many decent low power x86 platforms for Windows XP from which to choose from though.
If this thing had a Z550 Atom then it would be my next OQO replacement.
On the chinese website, it’s listed some pricing info…but looks like these are the lower end models…! boohoo!!!!!
http://www.xpphone.com/Product/price.html
According this page, http://www.xpphone.com/en/yingyong/Customized.html, you can customize it with an AMD CPU greater than 1 GHz. If they’re still using the Geode then it has to be the NX CPUs but those have high power consumption.
http://www.amd.com/us-en/ConnectivitySolutions/ProductInformation/0,,50_2330_9863_10837%5E10858,00.html
NX 1250 (667 MHz): 6 W Average Power, 9 W TDP
NX 1500 (1 GHz): 6 W Average Power, 9 W TDP
NX 1750 (1.4 GHz): 14 W Average Power, 25 W TDP
These are different sized CPUs and are not pin compatible with the Geode LX CPUs. That power consumption is getting close to Mobile Core 2 Duos which are probably a lot faster.
Core 2 Duo P9600 (2.66 GHz): 25 W TDP
If they use the NX CPUs, they will get killed by the Core 2 ULV CPUs. The Core 2 Solos go to 1.2GHz and have 5.5W TDP. Even the Core 2 Duos have 10W TDP.
Only reason they are using the Geode is probably price I guess.
Actually, I’m not even sure how they’ll squeeze the NX CPUs inside that small chassis. The CPU itself is quite big UMPC-wise.
XPinside models looks promising.. couldn’t begin to hypothesize the potentially exorbitant cost of them however. This is going to be an interesting experiment for the procurers..
Lastly.. why not just purchase the oQo IP.. add cellular capabilities and be done with it??
good stuff research. And the fact is, no one knows exactly what processor or what the performance is in the XPphone. WE do not have the real product available for testing right? So this is all skepticism. Of course it would be nice if we had exact details that would make us feel better about the processor and performance. I guess it’s an easy target to analyze the processor, but no one is talking much about the features. Every other MID (umid, viliv) are plain, boring features. Just surfing. But the xpphone seems to have some unique features specific to battery life. People forget about battery life in portable devices? Yo, that’s like the most important issue in all these UMPC reviews. How about the interface on top of XP. Who cares it’s not 7, when XP is faster, and there’s a new interface on top anyways. How many people here use 7 anyways? I’m still getting used to the crazy hoggin vista. Have viliv, umid even tried to change the interface to xp?
It’s unlikely that AMD is using this company to release a new low power CPU to compete with the Atom but I could still hope they are. I like the form factor.
Currently, the lowest power AMD CPUs are the Geode. The 600 MHz Geode LX has a TDP of 5.1 W. Compare that to the significantly faster Atom with a TDP of ~2 W. Also, DDR2 uses up to 65% less power than DDR1. The rest of the chips (WWAN, bluetooth, WLAN, etc.) are likely the standard off the shelf chips found on most devices. So the only places this company can improve power consumption are in the logic board design which doesn’t have a big power draw anyway and software. On the software side they just opted for Windows XP Embedded which isn’t very innovative.
They claim that calls will wake up the PC from standby so power consumption during standby is higher than other x86 based devices since power is needed to monitor for incoming calls and wake up the device.
Anyway, I’m hoping they’re using some new unannounced AMD CPU.
The XPPhone hasn’t exactly said anything innovative in how they save battery life. Unless they made low power GPS, 3G, WiFi and other components themselves then the device doesn’t have any unique features related to battery life.
The interface on the XPPhone isn’t exactly a skin placed on top of XP. It’s just a phone application that runs in fullscreen where you can send/receive calls and text messages. To do everything else (ie. play videos, browse the internet, run a different program) you have to close the phone application (it still runs in the background) and use the standard XP interface.
UMID uses Thepot Player program for better usability. Here’s a video example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkjFu1aynOA
interface, I don’t think point is how they do it, the fact is, it stated to be 5 hours. How many UMPC’s last for 5 hours or more? (I only know 1 maybe 2?)
I think battery life has been one of the key issues with UMPC functionality.
–Phil
Viliv’s S5 page: “6 hours continuous movie playback”
Viliv’s N5 press release: “Up to 5 hours battery life”
xpPhone’s page: “Real life: about 7 hours (standard)”
UMID’s M1 page: “6 hrs”
Kohjinsha’s PA page: “Approximately 7.5 hours”
Pocketables review of Everun S60H: “runtime of up to 6 hours”
There are plenty of UMPCs with “manufacturer claims” of long battery life.
Only the Viliv’s really reach what they claim though, reliably. :P
its been over a year still nothing… is it ever gonna come out or what